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04-19-2009, 07:44 PM
 
Hey guys,

I'm trying to build a dual ported / single driver enclosure like this :



For those who don't already know you split the box volume up into 2/3 and 1/3 and join them with a port equal in length to the other two ports.

I want to use the 11kv.2 Driver

Anyways, I'm wondering if I should use the ED recommended volume of (1.2 ft^3 ) and just break it up into ( .792 ft^3 ) and ( .396 ft^3).

Or if I should use a larger volume to account for all the extra ports and dividers I'm throwing in.

I only pretend to know what I am doing, so any help would be much appreciated!
 
 
 
 
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04-19-2009, 10:18 PM
 
that 2/3 1/3 rule is really just a cookie cutter guideline.

You can tune to whatever you want...the chamber volumes can be whatever you want...there are no rules.

Due to the nature of the ABC enclosure I would make the Net volume for the 11Kv.2 on the large side. Around 1.5-2 cu ft. Port dimensions will be much easier to work with. Excursion is not a problem. The second enclosure resonance helps with that.
 
 
 
 
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I've never seen that before....what's the purpose?
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second enclosure resonance...reducing excursion.

Depends on the install...sometimes a regular 4th order bass reflex works better. Sometimes the Aperiodic bi-chamber works better for the install or subwoofer.
 
 
 
 
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04-20-2009, 01:09 PM
 
So I want to stick with eD's recommendation for tuning to 35Hz. Here is what I've got so far with my calculations. (Feel free to call me out on anything and everything)

Net Box Volume : 2 cubic feet

(2/3) Primary chamber : 1.32 Cubic Feet
(1/3) Secondary chamber: .66 Cubic Feet

Now port calculations are where I always screw things up anyone want to help?

Driver specs:

Vas 2.33 Cubic feet
Qts .28
Fs 24.80Hz

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04-20-2009, 08:04 PM
 
When I do use and ABC style enclosure, I like to tune a little lower than that. Just my taste is all, I would actually look at a tune of 30Hz and about 60 Hz. 1.5 in the larger chamber and .75 in the smaller. 4" ports on all 3
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04-21-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Plain and simple, I like your style Eagle!

So once again I only pretend to know what I am doing. I'd use the same port length in each enclosure

So then should I just tune the 1.5 cuft enclosure to 30hz with a 4" (10cm) port?

Length= (23562.5) (10.16cm)(1 port) / (30hz^2)(42.47L ) - (.732)(10.16cm)
Length= (239395) / (38223) - (7.43)
Length = 239395 / 38215.5
length= 6.26 cm ?
 
 
 
 
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Yep
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04-22-2009, 05:31 PM
 
I must have done my math wrong.

Just plugged 1.5 cubic feet and 30Hz into WinISD gave me : 22.29 inches for port length.

Which honestly makes a lot more sense than 6cm (2.5 inches).

The second chamber with .75 cubic feet becomes tuned to 42.3hz with a port length of 22.29 inches

-1.5 w/ 22.29 port = 30hz
-75 w/ 22.29 port = 42.3 hz

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04-23-2009, 05:51 PM
 
So If anyone is still following this thread, I got a great box to use for my ABC enclosure.

Its about 2.5 ft^3 made from 3/4 ply and it is sprayed head to toe with Linex bed liner.
THIS THING IS INDESTRUCTIBLE!!!



so yeah

1.5 ft^3 on the driver side tuned to 30hz
.75 ft^3 on the smaller side 43hz

(3) 23" ports with a 4" radius

anyone care to comment before I start cutting stuff up? I really don't want to blow this one.
 
 
 
 
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04-26-2009, 01:52 PM
 
Go for it!! It's all an experiment. Also, though the modeling software says its tuned to 42.3 or whatever, the programs can not take into account an ABC style enclosure. The 1/3, 2/3 "rule of thumb" gives a tuning that is 1 octave differennce. The larger section tuning being 30Hz will make the tuning of the smaller enclosure 60Hz. Did you take into account driver and port displacement?
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04-27-2009, 05:36 PM
 
I'm just wondering if I need to have exactly half of the connector tube in each chamber.

say I use a 12" x 3" port , does it need to have 6" in one chamber and 6" in the other chamber?

I'm running out of room in the small chamber, could I stagger the port 8" in the big one and 4" in the small one or would i mess up the tunning?
 
 
 
 
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04-27-2009, 11:42 PM
 
I would say that the port is supposed to be "invisible" as far as exactly where you place it. However, if you slide the port back and forth you effectively change the volume of each chamber! You should factor in how much of the port sticks into the chamber when calculating the internal volume of that chamber, but it should not matter how much sticks into one or the other.
 
 
 
 
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05-08-2009, 02:54 PM
 
So I have an update. Purchased 110v.2 driver with dual 4ohm coils.

Running a Lt300 plate amplifier for power at an 8ohm load.





This is my sketchy looking template.

Final break down goes like this.

Big Chamber

14.5X12X20 = 2.01 ft^3

- Driver = .06
-Port A = .25
-Port C = .16
-Plate Amp= .146

Total Air Volume = 1.4 ft^3
~ 31 Hz

Small Chamber

7.5x12x20= 1.04 ft^3

- Port B = .25
- Port C = .1

Total Air Volume= .7 ft^3

~62 Hz


Anyone have any suggestions before I start cutting?
 
 
 
 
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06-24-2009, 09:44 AM
 
I've built ABC boxes before. Keep the gross volume to the same as you would for any other ported enclosure, because it'll act just like an overly large regular ported enclosure.
 
 
 
 
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06-26-2009, 12:56 PM
 
when you say keep the gross volume the same as any other ported enclosure, does that mean the amount of free air inside the box? (box dimensions - driver - amp - 3 ports) ?

I seem to be constantly doing this out of order.

1) 2.1 cubic feet tuned to 30hz : 7.88" port length

2) separate chamber volumes 1.4 cubic feet / .7 cubic feet

3) Build chambers slightly larger to accommodate for driver, amp, and 1.5 ports on one side and a 1.5 ports on the smaller side .

4) Box should now be tuned to 30hz and 60hz with increased power handling and slightly higher output than a regular ported enclosure

Example : desired volume 1.4 / .7 cubic feet, boxes are built to 1.73 cubic feet and .98 cubic feet.

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06-26-2009, 03:41 PM
 
You don't build 'slightly larger'. You determine the volume of all things inside the enclosure (driver displacement, port displacement, etc.) and factor this into your overall gross volume. Your NET volume is what you're left over with (1.4/.7). Think of it like money. Whats the difference between groos income and net income??

And no,y our enclosure will not be tuned to 30 and 60 Hz. Theoretically, the tuning of a dual-chamber ported enclosure actually ends up roughly a half octave above, and a half octave below your originally designed tuning frequency. For that reason, I would aim your tuning frequency at least 5Hz higher.


And increased power handling is a misnomer. It MAY be able to handle more power, but you're now putting much more thermal stresses on the drivers, as your drivers won't be moving a whole lot near now 2 tuning frequencies.
 
 
 
 
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06-27-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Right,

gross : 1.728 ft^3 / .98 ft^3
net: 1.4 / .7

Tuning, Vb of 2.1 @ 30hz ( with a 3" port) = port length of 7.88 "


but what you are saying is this will tune to 22.5 and 37.5 hz roughly?

so I really want to tune to at least 35hz or a port length of 5.2 " which will give me more of a 30/60 set up?

Power handling won't be a problem, I'm only running 150 w rms anyways... I just like building strange things.
 
 
 
 
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gross volume means little compared to net volume
 
 
 
 
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gross volume means little compared to net volume


That doens't even make sense. Gross volume doens't mean MUCH, but it is very important when doing all your displacement calculations. It still needs to be right, no matter how you want to look at it.
 
 
 
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